our government is spending way too much money. we need to cut back on spending, cut -- >> arthel: where? >> look at the entitlement programs, for example. there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse going on there. that is not even on the table. and so listen, we can cut our expenses in our country that is spleeningful and very important for us to do because right now, they're just kicking the can down the road and it's not going to help our economy. >> arthel: waste, fraud and abuse, where? because when regular folks at home hear cut my entitlement, you're looking at the older people when are looking at their medicare or medicaid benefits being affected. >> there is a significant amount of waste, fraud and abuse going on in medicaid and medicare. so that is something i think a needs to be addressed. that's something that has not been looked at. i think that is part of our problem. >> arthel: michael, you get the last word. >> i don't think you need to hold up the tax issue on the spending. the congress has the power of the purse str